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royal 18" commercial vacuum
#1
my near 10 year old aerus electrolux commercial had an injury the other day so needed a replacement. After Mardie's great review I bit the bullet!

If you own it or are considering it lets use this as the main discussion for it?

Also found a great price from a " little " company lol.....
Its like $130 cheaper then other places Ive found

Ill probably get the vac bag option as well for occupied residential like Mardie

http://www.jondon.com/ea-5158z-royal-upright.html

50' cord
monster airflow
18" path
infinite height screw adjustment model
and NO headlights! lol
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Dustin have you checked to see if your local Metal Royal dealer will honor the warranty work ? Should be no problem but I am going to check with my royal dealer on that. That Jondon price is a heck of a lot less than I paid for mine and I do want to get another one. Wonder what the price difference is for bags ?
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Mardie I don't have one anywhere close by Sad

my shipping quote to Canada was $52 ups (unfortunately)

hepa bag (3) $8.55
standard bag (3) $3.10
standard bag (10) $8.27
here are all the royal things they sell
http://www.jondon.com/nsearch/?q=royal

curious what your bags cost and quantity ?

what is interesting is the 14" 5 position royal is silver rated and the 18" infinite is gold
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I will check on my prices for comparison but do not think they can come close to Jondons even with shipping and exchange rate. UPS told me that when I order stuff from the states that I should ask the shipper to produce a certificate of origin and if it is made in the states I will not have to pay duty. Hope my dealer will honor the warranty if I ever need it. Not a big deal though because all the parts look pretty cheap.
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Mardie is correct on proof of manufacture origin - it helps keep import fees less.

I buy my vac bags bulk from vacuums.com (I think??) usually 100 at a time, I dont think I have ever paid $1 each for mine.

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Jon Don is great. Prices in general are pretty low and shipping is very inexpensive, if not free.

They also price match which is awesome.
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If an 18" is good, wouldn't logic dictate a 15", and/or 12" (if they even make?) "infinite" be way better?

Seems that way with other vacuums - BY FAR. More CFM with equal agitation?

Just curious.. same airflow through smaller hole (like glides) would be higher cfm...

Noticeable, measurable on ProTeam... not so much for the larger Bissell Heavy Duty vs Shark... except Bissell not sealed, so... is that the difference...

Hmmmmmmmm, more testing on the horizon?

... just got home from an 18 hour day to follow with another tomorrow... what's a little more time.....
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Coby I thought the same and called the people that posted the u-tube video that Damon posted and I drilled him on that and he sad that with so much available air that it made no difference. He said the smaller ones were for people that have small spaces. I have been using it in residential with no problem and the thing I like about the bigger head in residential is that the suction head is wide enough that you can swing it under the edge of a bed or under other low edges with it. Kinda works like them off set heads on some vacuums.

BTW once your head is set you can still experience LOCK DOWN on some loose or uneven carpet and will not be able to move itclap. To prevent this just push down on the handle a bit to raise the suction head a little. I had one carpet that was bad for lock down while pushing forward and with 2 fingers pushing down on the handle it pulled it self along the carpet with ease.
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If this thing has as much air flow as they say it would be like me going from a 2" tube 14" head wand to a 1.5" tube 10" head on my truckmount and expecting a cleaning performance boost.
Gotta let these things breath Smile
It might be a good fit for you too Coby maybe shave an hour or more off that 18 hr day ?



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I can see why with the proteam/aerus electrolux design why the smaller one would preform better for sure.

take this how you will lol ( being the cri and all lol)

royal (18" infinite ) - gold
shark navigator/rotator- silver
proteam xp1200 -silver
sanitaire (various) - silver
hoover (various) - bronze


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I was always using the Enviro allergy bags for my royal. I was getting them at Totalvac.com. But they seem to have shipping issues though might have been solved by now I hope.

Some of the fine stuff does get through the bag, even if you splurge for the hepa. I don't know if they make a cloth bag for the Royal yet but that might keep it all in.

Yeah the Royal did tend to lock down on the post-vac a couple times it did that and left a big black streak in the carpet. I have to go get out the machine and some spot and boost / cyclone and fix it.

The smaller Royal does have extra suction/airflow, however this vac has so much suction/air flow that it is still very good on the 18".
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Grant although I have just gotten this vacuum I found that when post vacuuming that it is best to wheel that sucker very fast when the carpet is quite damp kinda like a carpet rake. (on cut pile carpet) Seems to get the debri and pick up less moisture that way and with the 18 inch head it makes for a very nice grooming tool.
I have not done this yet but I think that for post vac it would be better to use the dump bag instead of the paper filter bag so the paper bag does not get filled up and get contaminated with moisture and potentially make it inefficient and create an odor. Filling up a paper bag with clean damp post vac debri would seem to be a waste of a perfectly good paper bag.
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Have you guys tried raising the height a slight bit for the post vac?

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(05-30-2014, 11:36 AM)cleantech Wrote: Have you guys tried raising the height a slight bit for the post vac?

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Yes a bit. But I still like to see just a little movement on the plunger.
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I am going to make up a quick off , quick on arm so I can gang 2 of these 18"ers together =36" kick butt wide area vacuum for less than a $K. They suck so good on the ends of the suction head that this should work very good. Pattend Pending anyone ?LOL
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Dustin I contacted my supplier about warranty work if I purchased a vacuum from another dealer and they said that they would do that. Then I mentioned a USA purchase and they said that non of their manufacturers will warranty across border purchases and that when they put their claim in with serial # that it would show up as an out of country purchase and it would not be honored. He then explained that it was a protection measure that manufacturers have in place to protect their dealers.
BUT he did drop his price down to $449.00 and said he would reimburse me on my last machine to match this new price.
Not much difference for me on the machine price after shipping and exchange rate but I will buy all my bags, brushes and other non warranty supplies for the machine from Jondon.
Thanks you saved me a bunch of cash.
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Glad to help Smile
Hmm something to think about I suppose. Nice price drop for sure! I would consider calling him but your darn hst is at what these days 13%?


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(05-30-2014, 11:10 PM)cleantech Wrote: Glad to help Smile
Hmm something to think about I suppose. Nice price drop for sure! I would consider calling him but your darn hst is at what these days 13%?


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Ya 13%Yikes Not worth it for you to ship it here for warranty plus it is so simple and the parts so cheap. I don't mind paying a few extra bucks for the warranty and service 10 min. up the road from me.
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I finished an empty 2 bedroom living room dinning room 2 sets of stairs and concrete basement trashed cat urine unit that I have been working on. I first vacuumed it real fast with my old vacuum to pick up all the large debri. My old vacuum can pick up large debri like nuts and bolts nails pens and good size chunks of stuff with no problem. I then spent over 2 hrs vacuuming with my new 18" Metal Royal. I got more than 1/3 of a regular sized garbage bag of fine powder like particulate from the carpet.
With a black light I nailed all urine with Pee Radicator using a plant watering can with a shower head.
Next day used full strength flex with citrus solv and the Tsunami with 2 wet passes. Then air movers to dry.
Next day nailed the whole carpet to make quite wet wall to wall with the Rock and 20 oz per gal. of Pad Cap Pro Plus.
Yesterday went to do a final vacuum and got about 1/4 of a cup out of the whole carpet.wow

I also did a major odor job on all hard surfaces $$$happy

Note: The people in this unit were using a new method of cat litter management. They just kept adding more cat litter to the basement floor. Someone should have told them how cheap a bale of straw is.LOL
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Is beautiful!
They sent me the bag version with a hepa in place instead of the shake outSmile
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