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How often do you change pads?
#1
With my years of experience of using the white loopy cotton bonnet pads (14 years with CD) I know exactly when to change pads while carpet cleaning. Usually use one side per room depending.

I just recently bought some all blue microfiber pads and the blue with black scrub striped MF pads to use.

How often do you change out those pads? In a typical 3 room job would you use 3 pads?
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I'd use 4-6 depending on soil load. I like to clean first with a damp pad, then follow with a dry pad to absorb more dirt/moisture. I'm not a firm believer in relying on the encap juice alone to do the soil extraction.
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My rule of thumb on the MF with scrub strips is 1 side per room. Then if there is a lot of soil, I follow up with glads, superzorbs, or primo pads.
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Thanks for your replies. I've been using them longer on a side than I should mostly because of the color of the pad. With the white ones it's easy to see when they are dirty. The colored MF pads tend to look the same so I've not been changing them enough.
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Those directmopsales bonnets are almost half polyethylene which absorbs nothing. The interior is a cheap foam which is only fractionally better.

I use about 10-12 pads on an average residential job. (3 bedroom, hallway, living room)
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(09-30-2014, 10:52 AM)REALCLEAN Wrote: Those directmopsales bonnets are almost half polyethylene which absorbs nothing. The interior is a cheap foam which is only fractionally better.

I use about 10-12 pads on an average residential job. (3 bedroom, hallway, living room)

whaaaa how do you know?

are there better quality MF's out there? if so where and how can you tell they are better?


tx!
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Now RealClean is OCD. Trust me I know himBig Grin I use the same pads and generally use one side per room and never had a complaint. Unless, of course, it is trashed out.
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(09-30-2014, 10:58 AM)Derek Wrote:
(09-30-2014, 10:52 AM)REALCLEAN Wrote: Those directmopsales bonnets are almost half polyethylene which absorbs nothing. The interior is a cheap foam which is only fractionally better.

I use about 10-12 pads on an average residential job. (3 bedroom, hallway, living room)

whaaaa how do you know?

are there better quality MF's out there? if so where and how can you tell they are better?


tx!

These are the best ever made. Not currently available.

http://starfibers.com/commercial/pdfs/spinbonnets.pdf

These I've found to be equal or better to the directmopsales.

http://microfiber-products.com/microfibe...-bonnet-58
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(09-30-2014, 10:52 AM)REALCLEAN Wrote: Those directmopsales bonnets are almost half polyethylene which absorbs nothing. The interior is a cheap foam which is only fractionally better.

I use about 10-12 pads on an average residential job. (3 bedroom, hallway, living room)

I believe those Starfiber pads are made of the same material.
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(10-01-2014, 07:39 PM)Barry-QDCC Wrote:
(09-30-2014, 10:52 AM)REALCLEAN Wrote: Those directmopsales bonnets are almost half polyethylene which absorbs nothing. The interior is a cheap foam which is only fractionally better.

I use about 10-12 pads on an average residential job. (3 bedroom, hallway, living room)

I believe those Starfiber pads are made of the same material.

Both are made of microfiber. But there's a world of difference between the two.

Starfiber is a solid microfiber surface, and the microfiber is 550+ GSM.

DMS pad is about 40% polyethylene, which is the "scrub strip". Polyethylene is just a form of plastic. It absorbs nothing. The microfiber used in those pads is 330 GSM.

The Starfiber pad, in most situations, is still a more aggressive pad, even without the "scrub strips."
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(10-01-2014, 07:54 PM)REALCLEAN Wrote: [
Both are made of microfiber. But there's a world of difference between the two.

Starfiber is a solid microfiber surface, and the microfiber is 550+ GSM.

DMS pad is about 40% polyethylene, which is the "scrub strip". Polyethylene is just a form of plastic. It absorbs nothing. The microfiber used in those pads is 330 GSM.

The Starfiber pad, in most situations, is still a more aggressive pad, even without the "scrub strips."

I didn't know what GSM is. So since Google is my best friend I found this.

http://www.microfiberwholesale.com/deter...towel.html
Determining the quality of a microfiber towel


Microfiber Cleaning Cloths are a revolutionary, environmentally friendly, and extremely effective way to clean. However, in order to get the most out of your microfiber towels it’s important to make sure you’re purchasing high quality microfiber towels. In this article you’ll find tests to determining the quality of a microfiber towel.




The first and probably most important test to determine the quality of a microfiber towel is touch. How does the towel feel to the touch? Is the microfiber cloth soft? Would you trust it on the finish of your car? Does the material “grab” the imperfections on your skin when you run the microfiber towel over the palm of your hand? You want this to happen… when you can feel the towel grabbing your skin that means it’s a microfiber towel made from split microfiber. High quality microfiber cleaning cloths feature split microfiber, after the splitting process each microfiber in a microfiber towel looks like an asterisk if you’re looking at a cross section of the fiber. The open spaces in the microfiber created by the splitting process allow the microfiber cleaning cloth to pick up and hold dirt as well as absorbing liquid. If you don’t feel a “grab” from the towel it may not be split, if it’s not split it won’t be any more effective as a cleaning towel than a cotton rag.




Another test you can use to determine the quality of microfiber is an absorbency test. Pour a little water on a flat, smooth surface, take a folded microfiber towel and slowly slide the towel towards the puddle. Carefully observe as the towel contacts the water. Does it suck the water up like a vacuum? Does it push the water away? Is it somewhere in between? Does the water quickly wick through the towel? You want a towel that sucks the water up like a vacuum and you want the water to wick throughout the towel, these are characteristics of high quality, absorbent microfiber towels.




The third test you can use to determine the quality of a microfiber towel it to weigh it. The reason is simple; a heavier towel has more microfiber in it. Microfiber weight is measured in grams per square meter (GSM) (conversion calculators can be found online). A good quality microfiber towel should weigh 250 GSM at the very least, usually more.




A few more simple tests you can use are the sunlight test and the stretch test. Neither of these are very scientific, but they do give you a little insight into the quality of the microfiber towel. For the sunlight test just take the towel out in the sun and stretch it out between you and the sun, if you can see a lot of sunlight through it like a cheesecloth it’s not a high quality microfiber towel. For the stretch test just stretch the towel, generally speaking, if it easily stretches it’s not a very high quality woven material.




None of these tests alone should be used to judge a microfiber towel, however when you use several of these tests together you can get a good idea of the quality of the microfiber towel. For example, a chain warehouse store sells package of microfiber towels that weigh more than 300 GSM, it is dense (passes the sunlight test), and it doesn’t stretch. However they don’t work very well as a cleaning towel, they’re not absorbent and they don’t pick up and hold dust very well. This towel would pass the weight test but wouldn’t pass the touch (it doesn’t grab the imperfections in the skin) and absorbency tests (it pushes water instead of sucking it up).
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Vast majority are also 80/20 polyester/polyamide. The greater the polyamide, usually the better quality.

Things to look at when shopping microfiber:

Weight, measured in GSM (grams per square meter). My experience, anything less than 350GSM is often not worth the money.

Composition, usually a polyester and polyamide blend. Polyamide will always be the smaller amount, but it should make up an absolute minimum of 20% to be quality.

Those two things usually will determine a quality microfiber.
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(10-01-2014, 02:28 PM)REALCLEAN Wrote: These I've found to be equal or better to the directmopsales.

http://microfiber-products.com/microfibe...-bonnet-58

and a much lower price, tx for the link! these seem to be the lowe$t i can find on the 'net.
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excellent thread guys, thank you & I have learned things!!

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(10-01-2014, 08:31 PM)REALCLEAN Wrote: Vast majority are also 80/20 polyester/polyamide. The greater the polyamide, usually the better quality.

Things to look at when shopping microfiber:

Weight, measured in GSM (grams per square meter). My experience, anything less than 350GSM is often not worth the money.

Composition, usually a polyester and polyamide blend. Polyamide will always be the smaller amount, but it should make up an absolute minimum of 20% to be quality.

Those two things usually will determine a quality microfiber.

What was the composition of the Starfiber?
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Starfiber was 80/20.

If you want to get an idea of what the Starfiber was like, it's just like most commercial microfiber flat mops. Hospitals have all switched to them.

DMS sells them. They even have one with no foam.

With microfiber, the higher the polyamide count, the softer, or more "plush", as it's advertised.
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Thanks RealClean. ES sells one that is 70/30 but not sure what the gms is.
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